Layer Tennis

after reading the commentary, Flat Stanley has nice implications on the concept of layer tennis… Mailing him all over the world, akin throwing the volley back and forth across the net? less boring than I initially thought.

Still not loving it aesthetically, tho.

Oct 19, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match

yeah, not diggin no. 3

Oct 19, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: General Layer Tennis Discussions / Side Games of Layer Tennis?

that sounds like fun.

Oct 15, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / October 12th Match Remixes

here is my attempt: LINK

I like benschomatic’s & BK’s very much too.

Oct 14, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: General Layer Tennis Discussions / Side Games of Layer Tennis?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYOLWYdJ8mI

Oct 12, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match

the thing in the web appears to be the elk thing from the last match.

Oct 12, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match

Based on the 4 moves so far, Anderson seems to be doing a better job responding to his opponents moves, and seems to be attempting to build a sort of narative. Harrington is still killing it, but is a few point behind chuck in my mind.

Oct 12, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match

Any guesses as to what kind of spider will appear in that web up yonder?

Oct 12, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match

I can tell already, this one’s going to tough to judge.

and @ devka: I kinda like those colors!

Oct 12, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match

awesome serve. sparce, simple and full of love.

Oct 11, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: General Layer Tennis Discussions / Side Games of Layer Tennis?

Don’t know if this is discouraged, encouraged or what, but if anyone is interested in a little side game of layer tennis, maybe Coudal would allow us to post challenges to whomever you fancy here. Perhaps due to the lack of “captive opponents”, the time between volleys should remain open?

To get started, if anyone wants to respond to this one, I’d respond back…

JPG file here
PSD file here (1.2M)

Oct 10, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / October 5th Match Remixes

Here’s a revised remix with all those naughty unauthorized images taken out. The space images are from this copyright-free NASA Photo Archive

REVISED REMIX
ORIGINAL REMIX (with oh-so-bad google images)

Oct 8, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match

That’s a bummer about the one rule that exists. I guess I’ll have to re-do my remix. Oh well, slow day at the office anyhow.

Oct 8, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match

@ Anton – Yeah, I caught it, I just think it’s kinda weird to use something so finished and polished for anything other than the serve. I think a big part of this contest is to be spontanious and think quickly, reacting to the previous move.

My opinion on Google images, admittedly, is kinda based on wishful thinking, (no-one is getting proper notification or permission), but because this is only for fun, and not for profit, is done on the fly, but I still think it should be allowed. I’m probably in the minority on this, but come on, it’s just a game. It’s like the Dada artists appropriating images from fashion magazines, newspapers and other areas of pop-culture at the time for use in their collages. I think Picaso did this too. In most cases, the context is totally removed, the images are usually highly modified. And what if the sources were cited, like a disclaimer.

Just thinking out loud here…
Can Google images be referred to as a part of pop-culture? What if we think of this appropriation more like quoting the work of another artist to create a new work? (that’s from wikipedia’s entry on appropriation in art). Also, When Google compiles the images from a specific search result into their interface, they are sharing and redistributing without the image creators permission. The only difference is that they are citing the original context in which it appears online. Couldn’t designers participating in Layer Tennis do the same thing? Would that make it more permissible?

I dunno, regardless of where this discussion leads to, it’s a very interesting debate, and I’d love to hear more opinions.

Oct 8, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match

Maybe I was confusing (double negative), but I believe we are in agreement on this issue. Please read my post again…

”...it would be very difficult to convince me than most of the 7th Volley WASN’T prepared ahead of time.”

meaning I think it was prepared ahead of time, and you just confirmed it. During the match, I called him out on that right after he posted it. (if you look on page 9 of this thread, it’s the first post.) I don’t think that’s fair for him to use that, hence my advocacy for disqualification.

Like I said before, this troubles me much more than the Google image issue.

Oct 8, 2007

Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)

Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match

I agree that a lot of this discussion seems a bit over the top, or even angry, and there’s no reason it can’t mellow out a bit.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match Yes, I did enjoy the emphasis on concept over style that happened during this match. Kudos to both Naz & Glass.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match hrm.. a little left field. And hey, didn’t darth turn out to actually be his daddy? Same as in this match. Go Glass!

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match Okay, it’s totally over. That last one takes it in my book.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match anyone else notice the slight shift in tractor hue from 6 to 7? seems rushed, but he took so long hittin’ it back.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match that IS chicago, and it appears to be near my house. At or around 18th St. S. near the lake?

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match I’m expecting some clothes on models in the next un.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match @ fuzzy: lol, that’s so nerdy and awesome. don’t let them find out.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match Are players allowed assistants for these matches?

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match points to glass on that one. definitely. impressive.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match after reading the commentary, Flat Stanley has nice implications on the concept of layer tennis… Mailing him all over the world, akin throwing the volley back and forth across the net? less boring than I initially thought. Still not loving it aesthetically, tho.

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Chris Glass vs Naz Hamid 10/19 / Conversation About The Match yeah, not diggin no. 3

Oct 19, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: General Layer Tennis Discussions / Side Games of Layer Tennis? that sounds like fun.

Oct 15, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / October 12th Match Remixes here is my attempt: LINK I like benschomatic’s & BK’s very much too.

Oct 14, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: General Layer Tennis Discussions / Side Games of Layer Tennis? http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYOLWYdJ8mI

Oct 12, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match the thing in the web appears to be the elk thing from the last match.

Oct 12, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match Based on the 4 moves so far, Anderson seems to be doing a better job responding to his opponents moves, and seems to be attempting to build a sort of narative. Harrington is still killing it, but is a few point behind chuck in my mind.

Oct 12, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match Any guesses as to what kind of spider will appear in that web up yonder?

Oct 12, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match I can tell already, this one’s going to tough to judge. and @ devka: I kinda like those colors!

Oct 12, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Steven Harrington vs Chuck Anderson 10/12 / Conversation About The Match awesome serve. sparce, simple and full of love.

Oct 11, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: General Layer Tennis Discussions / Side Games of Layer Tennis? Don’t know if this is discouraged, encouraged or what, but if anyone is interested in a little side game of layer tennis, maybe Coudal would allow us to post challenges to whomever you fancy here. Perhaps due to the lack of “captive opponents”, the time between volleys should remain open? To get started, if anyone wants to respond to this one, I’d respond back… JPG file here PSD file here (1.2M)

Oct 10, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / October 5th Match Remixes Here’s a revised remix with all those naughty unauthorized images taken out. The space images are from this copyright-free NASA Photo Archive REVISED REMIX ORIGINAL REMIX (with oh-so-bad google images)

Oct 8, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match That’s a bummer about the one rule that exists. I guess I’ll have to re-do my remix. Oh well, slow day at the office anyhow.

Oct 8, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match @ Anton – Yeah, I caught it, I just think it’s kinda weird to use something so finished and polished for anything other than the serve. I think a big part of this contest is to be spontanious and think quickly, reacting to the previous move. My opinion on Google images, admittedly, is kinda based on wishful thinking, (no-one is getting proper notification or permission), but because this is only for fun, and not for profit, is done on the fly, but I still think it should be allowed. I’m probably in the minority on this, but come on, it’s just a game. It’s like the Dada artists appropriating images from fashion magazines, newspapers and other areas of pop-culture at the time for use in their collages. I think Picaso did this too. In most cases, the context is totally removed, the images are usually highly modified. And what if the sources were cited, like a disclaimer. Just thinking out loud here… Can Google images be referred to as a part of pop-culture? What if we think of this appropriation more like quoting the work of another artist to create a new work? (that’s from wikipedia’s entry on appropriation in art). Also, When Google compiles the images from a specific search result into their interface, they are sharing and redistributing without the image creators permission. The only difference is that they are citing the original context in which it appears online. Couldn’t designers participating in Layer Tennis do the same thing? Would that make it more permissible? I dunno, regardless of where this discussion leads to, it’s a very interesting debate, and I’d love to hear more opinions.

Oct 8, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match Maybe I was confusing (double negative), but I believe we are in agreement on this issue. Please read my post again… ”...it would be very difficult to convince me than most of the 7th Volley WASN’T prepared ahead of time.” meaning I think it was prepared ahead of time, and you just confirmed it. During the match, I called him out on that right after he posted it. (if you look on page 9 of this thread, it’s the first post.) I don’t think that’s fair for him to use that, hence my advocacy for disqualification. Like I said before, this troubles me much more than the Google image issue.

Oct 8, 2007 Greatmiddlewest 37 post(s)	Topic: Neil Duerden vs. Mathew Star Thomas 10/5 / Conversation about the match I agree that a lot of this discussion seems a bit over the top, or even angry, and there’s no reason it can’t mellow out a bit.

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